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Questioner: If I say, my mind is conditioned, then that "I" is also a conditioned thing, then I don’t know what else is left.

J.Krishnamurti: That's just it. If I say, I am conditioned, and that "I" is also conditioned, the questioner said, then what is left? There is only a conditioned state. Do see this, there is only a conditioned state. But the mind objects to that. It wants to find a way out. Right? It doesn't say, I am conditioned, I'll remain there quietly, I am conditioned. Any movement on my part — any movement, conscious or unconscious — is the movement of conditioning. Right?

So, there is no movement, but only a conditioned state. If you can completely remain with it, without going neurotic — you understand? — then you'll find out. Then you'll say, "who is the entity who is going to find out?" There is no "another" entity who is going to find out. The thing itself will begin.

I don't know if you are following all this. The mind has always avoided this implacable state, that is, it is conditioned from childhood, from the very beginning of life – millions of years – and it tries every way to get out of it – gods, systems, philosophies, sex, pleasure, ideas – everything it does to get out of this conditioned state. And it is still doing that when it says "I must go beyond it."

So, whatever movement a conditioned mind takes, whatever movement a conditioned mind follows, it's still conditioned, therefore can it remain completely with that fact alone and nothing else?

You understand? To remain there, you have discarded the whole system of gurus, masters, teachers, saviours, you know, all the things that man has invented in order to be free. So you've discarded the whole thing, and you have only that one thing left — and nothing else.

Saanen, Switzerland, 11th July 1968

Talk 3

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